Palmares? Realy El cid - im somewhat surprised! Success measured by personal gain?????? I said he was one of the best 'pro's' we have ever produced not winners. Many victories have come ut of his graft and he is a consistant quiet hard worker well respected by all but his own countrymen. Personally if you ask me if id rather be associated with successful drugs cheats like Millar and Simpson, gobshites like Cav or quiet workers like Thomas, Cummings and Wegelius i know which role models i would chose (world champs aside).