Dazzricles
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27/08/2008 17:13
Olympics 2012..What price is to much?


The Beiging Olypics have cost $41 Billion to put on.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/olympics/la-ed-olympics26-2008aug26,0,246218.story?track=rss

The London bid estimated there cost to be £2.5 billion, this was the cost deamed acceptable when the bid was put in. Already with 4 yrs still to go were being told it has risen to £8..£10 billion.
Anyone fancy guesing the final cost?
Now ya may well think im a kill joy here but does anyone realy feel that this is a price the nation can afford and does what, in the final anylisis amount to little more than indulgent entertainment warrant it?.
Roger Watters recorded an album " Amused to Death"....is this were our species realy wants to go?


Major_Lee_Difficult
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27/08/2008 17:54
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Four years of job creation, legacy facilities that would not have been built otherwise, the windfall to the tourism and associated industries...what's the problem? If it costs $41 billion and returns a decent profit then it's sound business. I don't have a problem with that.

CrazyIvan
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27/08/2008 17:57
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

What worries me is that it was Boris johnson who has stated that London will come in under budget. If the budget keeps getting increased then of course they will come in under budget.

Dazzricles
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27/08/2008 17:59
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Ask the residents of Athens, Sydney and Barcalona how they feel,
The promised economic boom never happened and there still paying the price.
As for profit, profit for whome?...most of it into the hand of gready muliti national corperations for who the boundaries of nations are merely an inconveniance.
Just to get a perspective, the average wage in China is 36 Us Cents an hour , the population is 1.3 billion.
Do the maths and ask how they might be feeling bout $41 bilion being spent..not that they had a choice any more than you or I will have about London 2012


Major_Lee_Difficult
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27/08/2008 18:07
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

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Ask the reidents of Athens, Sydney and Barcalona how they feel,
The promised economic boom never happened and there still paying the price.




2 minutes on Google revealed this:

'The Spanish stock market climbed 19% in the 12 months prior to the 1992 Barcelona Olympics, while the Greek stock market jumped by 27% in the year before the 2004 Athens Olympics.'

'THE SECRETARY of State for the Department of Culture, Media and Sport stood at the window on the top floor of one of Barcelona's tallest hotels recently. Gazing out over the city, she asked the hotel manager what the Catalan capital had been like before it got the 1992 Olympics. "It was a dump," the manager replied. "The Olympics changed everything."'

Athens: 167 million US dollars profit.

Yeah, they're all regretting hosting the Olympics.


goblin
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27/08/2008 18:18
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Quote:

Four years of job creation, legacy facilities that would not have been built otherwise, the windfall to the tourism and associated industries...what's the problem? If it costs $41 billion and returns a decent profit then it's sound business. I don't have a problem with that.



Yea, as a tax payer living in the far south west, I'm really going to see a return. As always, London gets! .. I think the term is 'Money to Money'


tonybv9
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27/08/2008 18:36
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

[quote
Yea, as a tax payer living in the far south west, I'm really going to see a return. As always, London gets! .. I think the term is 'Money to Money'



Londoners are paying a significant proportion of the cost through a hike in their council tax. As always, London pays more like. Manchester council tax was not increased for the 2002 Commonwealth Games.
At least we get a shiny new velodrome.


MagnersCattlegridCon
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27/08/2008 20:25
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Despite Boris Johnson having a huge budget for city of london, the funding for the games is going to be taken away from other sources of funding nationwide.

With the games in London i don't see much of a boost in terms of tourism to Scotland during the games so, as everyone in the country pays the price (in one way or aother) for the 2012 games few people will get any benefit out of it other than being able to watch them on tv. barely a benefit when you can do so regardless of where they are held.

The main benefits will go to london and surrounding areas, new stadiums, velodromes, swimming pools etc. down there are of no use to most people in the country considering for me it would be a 20hour round-trip to get there.

Perhaps government should consider possibilities of fundraising. The quality of the games depends on however much the British public are willing to spend.

Considering economic and security concerns within the UK just now i'm sure £2.5bn(+) could be spent on much more worthwhile projects like getting knives and guns off the streets etc. Were it being run by a private firm using their OWN MONEY i'm sure it wouldn't cost anywhere near the amount the government will spend.

Who cares about cost-cutting when its not your own money you're spending?


bfergie
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27/08/2008 20:39
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

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With the games in London i don't see much of a boost in terms of tourism to Scotland during the games




I can, half of London will want somewhere sane to go during the games..

I do agree with you when it's said the whole country will benefit, it wont! but as much as I hate the thought of all that money going to one place, it's still another sports complex for everyone IF they use it! It is up to the people of londonshire to make the best of a bad job and keep using it after the games are over and hope the authorities don't overcharge folk for using it, they can say "we paid already when you were building it!"


wuverley
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27/08/2008 20:46
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

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The main benefits will go to london and surrounding areas, new stadiums, velodromes, swimming pools etc. down there are of no use to most people in the country considering for me it would be a 20hour round-trip to get there.





Er, if you do the maths, then 25 million people live less than 2 hours from London. (That figure could be wrong,but I've heard it somewhere) Apart fom the 8 million in Scotland, 1 million in Northern Ireland and those on the edge of England and Wales, its quite easy to get there.

What gets spent in Iraq every week? I think its quite a lot, obviously you could argue that the money is well spent, in Iraq, but then you could also say that about the Olympic budget as well


Dazzricles
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27/08/2008 20:56
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

I could say money beong spent in Iraq is a good thing...but i wont cus it isnt.
Major Lee, you fail to grasp that the profit your so keen about will be private profit in the main ...most going to non british taxpayers on a project bassicly paid for by the british taxpayer.
You mention a rise in share prices pre Barcalona as if thats a good thing. Perhaps connsider that next time you fuel your car and frown at the price of it. A price not down to the shortage of supply of oil but purely down to future traders on stock exschanges who dont give a fig for the horrendes damage caused to a country`s economy.


bfergie
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27/08/2008 20:56
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

8 million!! We have just over 5 million, we let you think there is 8 million to make us look big and scary...grrrrr!!

goblin
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27/08/2008 20:58
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

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It is up to the people of londonshire to make the best of a bad job and keep using it after the games are over and hope the authorities don't overcharge folk for using it,



How long after the event before say for example, the bmx track is built over because someone sees a bigger profit than charging kids thupence ha'penny a time to use it? I'd give it a year, and that's optimistic.


bigoldsideofham
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27/08/2008 22:10
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Quote:

Ask the residents of Athens, Sydney and Barcalona how they feel,
The promised economic boom never happened and there still paying the price.
As for profit, profit for whome?...most of it into the hand of gready muliti national corperations for who the boundaries of nations are merely an inconveniance.
Just to get a perspective, the average wage in China is 36 Us Cents an hour , the population is 1.3 billion.
Do the maths and ask how they might be feeling bout $41 bilion being spent..not that they had a choice any more than you or I will have about London 2012






Please tell me how many of the residents of those places you have asked about their feelings on the subject?????

We could always reduce the costs of the games if we make all of the long term unemployable (sorry unemployed) work for their benefit cheque?


Dazzricles
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27/08/2008 22:15
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?


BigOld, why dont ya just do a bit of research?
And if you think 36 cents an hour so we can get our stuff from tesco`s at stupidly cheep prices is a good deal then quite clearly your long past careing bout much at all.


wuverley
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27/08/2008 22:16
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

What's the population of London, is that 8 million?

I'm confusing myself now.


bigoldsideofham
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27/08/2008 22:18
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Arent you ignoring the major's 'research'. You know little about me - expert in demographics possibly?
If your looking for something to whinge about as far as the waste of tax pounds goes it shouldnt be the olympics - youre clearly conveniently blind to whats been going on here for decades.


Dazzricles
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27/08/2008 22:23
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?



Were can i buy Rose tinted Glass`s, prefeably bi focal that when i look down and see the less forunate my eyes will be averted?


bigoldsideofham
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27/08/2008 22:30
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Mine arent rose tinted you racist, im a scotsman.

Do you mean less fortunate wolfy or less 'arsed'.

Support and protect those who NEED it and shed those that take the piss out of choice. There's been times in my younger life when i simulateneously did three crap jobs rather than take a penny off of the state as i stupidly thought it was for the needy. What a joke!!! You can be a criminal prostitute heroin dealing smoker here and everything is supplied for you.Now thats a far more worthy cause than building stadiums for the greatest show on earth that dedicates itself to the pursuit of excellence and hard work. NOT!


wuverley
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27/08/2008 22:39
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

I don't think there's much connection between the probable cost of the Olympics, and the social problems that bigold is well aware of, but has some unusual views about.

The money for one is not affecting the money available for the other.


Dazzricles
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27/08/2008 22:39
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

http://www.gamesmonitor.org.uk/node/224

Just do some research.


fizban
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27/08/2008 22:44
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Interesting couple of points from Ron Dennis here. Heathrow is a dump and will need a lick of paint before 2012, but as it's a private business I don't want my council tax paying for it.

Apart from Herne Hill (just) are any of the buildings from '48 still standing?

Fizban (who will be mighty peeved if he can't get tickets to the velodrome)


Dazzricles
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27/08/2008 23:21
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?



Ron Deniss, Ah yes. From that bastion of incoruptability Formula 1. If ever a man had his finger on the pulse of the common man its Ron Deniss... NOT.


coco
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28/08/2008 01:03
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Any and all prices are to much, any of you who think this has anything to do with sport, zink again as they are just the pieces that will be used to play the game. The game is called MEMEME or USrUS and at the helm is the greatest MEMEME merchant of our deluded time. I refer to COCO the clown whose previous choices have included Wilhem Hague, conventionally impaired enough to become Shadow PM, CoCo thought that if he followed him it would happen but he was, amazingly enough, as short of ideas as his boss who got his from Christmas crackers that had passed their sell by date.

I have jumped straight in and written this without reading the rest, I WILL BE BACK AFTER i HAVE READ THE OTHER POSTS.


wuverley
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28/08/2008 01:09
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Good for you mate, I have no idea what you're on about though.

By all means illucidate


coco
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28/08/2008 01:16
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Quote:

Good for you mate, I have no idea what you're on about though.

By all means illucidate




I cant help it if you cant follow the thread nor would I if I could.


Major_Lee_Difficult
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28/08/2008 09:24
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

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Major Lee, you fail to grasp that the profit your so keen about will be private profit in the main ...most going to non british taxpayers on a project bassicly paid for by the british taxpayer.





Perhaps you'd rather live in China, if you feel that private enterprise is so wrong.

Quote:


You mention a rise in share prices pre Barcalona as if thats a good thing.




Please explain how a boost in the economy, as indicated by a rising stock market, is bad for the country? Stocks and shares aren't the preserve of the privileged few.

Quote:


Perhaps connsider that next time you fuel your car and frown at the price of it. A price not down to the shortage of supply of oil but purely down to future traders on stock exschanges who dont give a fig for the horrendes damage caused to a country`s economy.




Actually I couldn't tell you the price of petrol. I walk to work, the kids walk to school and the wife works from home. Why? 5 years ago I was sat in yet another traffic jam on my 80 mile commute and realised that I was spending more than a long working day sat in traffic every week just to get to work. I realised I couldn't change the road system, the price of oil, nor countless other things about the country that piss me off but I could change how and where I worked. The price of oil is dictated by supply and demand. The 'supply' element is a shortage of alternative suppliers as much as a shortage of the actual product. You know, like taxi drivers charging double fare on New Year's Eve?

You aren't going to change the way the world works. You can change your own immediate purlieu - you just need to know what it is you want. So far you've railed against the Olympics as being the evil empire but haven't suggested any solutions to the problems (real or not) that you are so hung up on. If you genuinely are Daryl Webster then give David Walsh or Paul Kimmage a call and tell your story. Let the Sunday Times worry about the legal side. I'd certainly buy any book or newspaper that ran the story.

Clearly the Olympics is a huge thorn for you. It shouldn't be. Maybe you didn't live up to your own expectations and, certainly, I recall you and the other riders got a lot of stick for your performance while the BCF kept quiet. I can still remember a letter to Cycling Weekly that, IIRC, you wrote saying that trundling up and down the Great North Road had absolutely nothing to do with Olympic cycling. Well take heart that somebody must have listened because we've got a world beating system to bring kids through. The Olympics have long lost their sporting ideals but is it really that bad?


bigoldsideofham
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28/08/2008 10:29
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Daz ' do your research'?????
Trust me (if of course you dont think im part of an oppressive economo facist ragime dispatched to destroy your cell of communist sympathisers) i know a thing or two about investigation and quoting one report from a notoriously lefty university does not a case make. A reasoned and researched arguement covers claims form a number of source documents, analyses them and draws conclusions - this you have not done. And tell me who this 'common man' is to whom you refer?


tonybv9
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28/08/2008 10:50
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Daz makes the very pertinent point that one of the great benefits of hosting the games is "millions of pounds of profit". But profit for whom? Not for the ordinary council tax payer, but for private enterprise, with the initial investment coming from the public purse. The same thing that happened to all the public utilities that were flogged off.
I see nothing wrong in profit - "You can't tax a loss" as Enoch Powell said, but I object to the way it is glibly presented as a great benefit for all.


bigoldsideofham
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28/08/2008 11:03
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Tony - those companies will all need to emply people here and pay tax into britains coffers. Whilst there is no direct benefit the indirect gain is clear.

andrewj100
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28/08/2008 12:53
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

So while I'm totaly for the Olympics I just don't thing the UK is capable of doing it well, within budget or making enough of a "profit" out of the gains such a thing would generate.

We'd do well to just fence of a big area of the UK, get the Chinese in and let them get on with it and just let us know when they've finished!


Dazzricles
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28/08/2008 13:06
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

"stocks and Shares arn`t the preserve of the priveleged few"..legaly no there not. But exsplain to me that statistic that the richest 1000 people on this planet have a combined wealth of DOUBLE the poorest 2.5 BILLION..almost a 1/4 of the entire planets population! ( Big Old probaby thinks that 2.5 billion are all scrounging , drug taking prosstitutes..lol)
You might not care about journalistic cencorship in China..but i wonder if you care about anything other than, me, me, me.( which seems to be what coco is saying..in his rather strange style)
BigOld, i have zero communist leanings, never have, never will.
Re the current price of oil. It IS due to the speculation of future traders.. NOT the current supply.
Generarly i find when peeps dont like my comments resorting to personal attacks on my caracter ussualy means there to lazy to do any research proper and have already fixed there view. I could fill my postings with an awfull lot of research links but it wouldnt make a jot of differance to a closed mind.


tonybv9
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28/08/2008 13:35
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Quote:

Tony - those companies will all need to emply people here and pay tax into britains coffers. Whilst there is no direct benefit the indirect gain is clear.




Yes, of course BOSH, there will be a temporary blip in employment and therefore tax revenue - but hardly on the scale of the outlay. Especially given that many of the jobs created will be fairly low paid service and construction industry ones. And will they all go to British workers? Also any organising body will use volunteers as much as possible.

My basic gripe is that as a Londoner, I am being sold the Olympics on the basis of a lie. However, I am happy to get a new velodrome for my contribution.


Dazzricles
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28/08/2008 13:46
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

The Olympics have long lost their sporting ideals but is it really that bad?




.....what a very telling comment. The Olympic ideals, saposedly the whole point to the Games and you feal there loss isnt a bad thing?. So what is the point?


coco
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28/08/2008 23:10
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Quote:

"stocks and Shares arn`t the preserve of the priveleged few"..legaly no there not. But exsplain to me that statistic that the richest 1000 people on this planet have a combined wealth of DOUBLE the poorest 2.5 BILLION..almost a 1/4 of the entire planets population! ( Big Old probaby thinks that 2.5 billion are all scrounging , drug taking prosstitutes..lol)
You might not care about journalistic cencorship in China..but i wonder if you care about anything other than, me, me, me.( which seems to be what coco is saying..in his rather strange style)
BigOld, i have zero communist leanings, never have, never will.
Re the current price of oil. It IS due to the speculation of future traders.. NOT the current supply.
Generarly i find when peeps dont like my comments resorting to personal attacks on my caracter ussualy means there to lazy to do any research proper and have already fixed there view. I could fill my postings with an awfull lot of research links but it wouldnt make a jot of differance to a closed mind.




(may digress slightly)



I can and do write in whatever style chooses the moment but yes we do live in the emptiest of times yet known to man while surrounded by the greatest riches ever known which by merry coincidence is what will shortly finish us off permanently, ecxept for the chosen few who will be launched into outer space, they may have gone already.

Imagine the uproar if the Olympics had been designated for Hyde Park Corner and half a mile either side, of course it would never happen but the uproar coming from the top tier of society, by that I also mean the worst scum of the Earth, although the Earth should not have to associate with them as they arrived at their own greed based decisions of the own free greedy will. I was surrounded by communism and Spanish Civil war Veterans as a small boy and the experience was fantastic. War tends to undermine the sanity of even the toughest individuals and they did complain a lot but having the Army and the Catholic church as your enemies as well as Hitlers Stukas cant have been easy and Orwells writing on the subject cionfirms that it was a disastrous war in terms of organisation and excution.

I have never felt the need to embrace communism simply because it is more prone to abuse than almost any other political system although what we have now is actually worse although most people live in the allusive state of MEMEME and more more more.

I watched none of the Olympics over the last two weeks except a race which included a white man up against the Jamaicans and Americans and I was in the same club that he started in, thirty years ago, I had to watch even though I said for years I would have no truck with it. I will boycot the 2012 Olympics for a number of reasons, all valid for me and not relevant to most as the bandwagon is there so why not jump on board as the crumbs are enough to fool them into toeing the line while their locality is ruined in the name of regress(it is obvious that when you alter an environment totally and without the ideas and participation of the locals the end result is always dreadful. When The Chinese wake up to this they will have a bigger heroin and general drug problem than they had courtesy of the English colonists of the nineteent century and quoting the well known Chinese restaurant down Soho way , we are all Lee Ho Fook(ed)

p.s. Well done Drizzly on your re-opening of the can of gwerms.(sorry Dazzricles, I was trying to remember your name without going back to the original post.)


Dazzricles
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28/08/2008 23:20
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?


Coco...i detect a kindred spirit but god only knows if you`l be understood!.
Fantasticly witty prose ya put together there.
You might have included Albert Huxley`s "Brave New World"...put it together with Orwells 1984 and ya describing todays Paradigm.

Control through fear/ control through pleasure.


coco
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28/08/2008 23:35
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

If you look closely you'll realise it wasn't really put together but when I'm on my subject, which I tend to just digress into, I can fly with the greatest of ease. It sort of bounces around in my head and escapes via my single typing ginger. I dont worry about not being understood as those that do understand more than make up for the percieved lost losers.

Dazzricles
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28/08/2008 23:43
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Quote:

I dont worry about not being understood as those that do understand more than make up for the percieved lost losers.




I, theres non so blind as those who will not see.


wuverley
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29/08/2008 01:04
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Do you consider clarity a valuable element of language?

Aint bovvered, but you know


Dazzricles
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29/08/2008 01:11
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?


Would that be the same type of clarity that see`s an esimated bill quadruple with four years still to go?
You wouldnt want them in as ya builders would ya!...lol


mamba80
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29/08/2008 08:40
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

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Would that be the same type of clarity that see`s an esimated bill quadruple with four years still to go?
You wouldnt want them in as ya builders would ya!...lol




Hold on, YOU went to LA and no doubt made a few bob out of that, so why begrudge others the same oportunities?
sure the Olympics is a farce (the building of it) but if GB does well it'll take our minds of living in this dull, souless country full of wingers an complainers.
As to the stock market, yes it is not all good but most of us on this forum have pensions and we'll all be complaining if we had to give them up.
How many of us shop at primark or asda or Aldi or Lidl? or do we really believe that waitross or M&S are any more ethical?


Major_Lee_Difficult
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29/08/2008 09:32
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Quote:



Hold on, YOU went to LA and no doubt made a few bob out of that, so why begrudge others the same oportunities?





You've hit the nail on the head there. He went to the games and 24 years later he's whining that it's all corrupt but can't suggest an alternative. He's got the inside scoop on all the top pros from his day being drug users but won't say anything for fear of being sued. I'll reiterate what I've already said:

If you know ***** ****** was a big user then talk to David Walsh or Paul Kimmage. Both are award winning journalists with the resources of a national newspaper behind them. Let them tell your story.

If you don't like the Olympics, don't watch the Olympics. Stay in your bunker wearing a tin foil hat in case big business tries to brain wash you. Not sure where you'll get your tinned food and bottled water from though. The supermarkets are all in on it, you know.

The Olympics is entertainment. Same as football, same as F1, same as any sport. What's wrong with that? And for once, cyclists are part of the in-group. Instead of being told to get off the road or having stuff thrown out of cars at us, people are shouting positive comments about Bejing. You think that's a bad thing?

As for your comment about control through fear and pleasure: what are the most common and powerful human drives? Fear and pleasure. I presume that once upon a time you rode your bike for pleasure. Winning gave you pleasure (or maybe the fear of losing drove you). Being chosen to represent your country at the Olympics gave you pleasure (or did it?). You are no different. Fear and pleasure drive us all.


coco
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29/08/2008 09:38
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Quote:

Do you consider clarity a valuable element of language?

Aint bovvered, but you know




Sorry mate, dont know what your on about.


bigoldsideofham
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29/08/2008 09:57
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

coco - you ever though of becoming a politician? Bullshit baffles (small) brains, and you are full of it!



I find the diverse points of view refreshing personally.



( although obviously come the revolution i will eliminate all who oppose me! )


bfergie
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29/08/2008 10:06
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

I think wuverley means that there is probably a more simple therefore clear way of expressing your opinions. Everything in it's place I say. Put it this way, your grasp of language seems impressive, I am no expert but if that use of language was in the "tech" section we might all get square wheels. It takes a lot of effort to read and fathom out some of the last posts which last thing at night doesn't always work with me so after re-reading, losing my place etc I switch off. I am not being critical of anyones writing, especially since it's far better constructed than I can ever do, just sometimes like listening to m.ps you just want to scream "what's your point and get to it before I glaze over!"

Bigold put it the way I was trying to avoid but he said it right!!


Dazzricles
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29/08/2008 10:10
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?


Were do i begrudge any rider "making a few bob"?..no where. Im as pleased as the next man bout Gb teams performance and have said so.
The drugs issue aint about my day but a look at the bigger picture of why it goes on...but that seams beyond your comprehension.
Control though fear/ pleasure are the themes of two great books of 20th Century..and they are pertinant to our society.
Integrity:It sells for so, so little but its all you ever realy have.


ridley105
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29/08/2008 14:06
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

As the world's largest international banking centre with a 50% share of all European activity and Europe's second largest city economy after Paris, year-by-year London generates approximately 20% of the UK's GDP[130] (or $446 billion in 2005); while the economy of the London metropolitan area - the second largest in Europe - generates approximately 30% of UK's GDP (or an estimated $669 billion in 2005).[133]

I think considering how much money this Government has redistributed to the North and Scotland us southerners should be entitled to you lot paying for something down here.


cheninblancrcruise63
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29/08/2008 14:49
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Quote:


I think considering how much money this Government has redistributed to the North and Scotland us southerners should be entitled to you lot paying for something down here.




I paid £5 for a pint of Stella in a London hotel on Wednesday night - I've done my bit


ridley105
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29/08/2008 15:16
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Quote:

Quote:


I think considering how much money this Government has redistributed to the North and Scotland us southerners should be entitled to you lot paying for something down here.




I paid £5 for a pint of Stella in a London hotel on Wednesday night - I've done my bit




Excellent work!!!!


coco
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29/08/2008 16:10
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

Quote:

coco - you ever though of becoming a politician? Bullshit baffles (small) brains, and you are full of it!



I find the diverse points of view refreshing personally.



( although obviously come the revolution i will eliminate all who oppose me! )




I am sorry for baffling you.

I think you will find that you are wrong on the subject of bullshit Mr Anderson, I hope the wifes career doesn't go all the way down the pan.


rover1971
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29/08/2008 16:19
Re: Olympics 2012..What price is to much?

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As the world's largest international banking centre with a 50% share of all European activity and Europe's second largest city economy after Paris, year-by-year London generates approximately 20% of the UK's GDP[130] (or $446 billion in 2005); while the economy of the London metropolitan area - the second largest in Europe - generates approximately 30% of UK's GDP (or an estimated $669 billion in 2005).[133]

I think considering how much money this Government has redistributed to the North and Scotland us southerners should be entitled to you lot paying for something down here.




Yes, I've heard Londons full of merchant bankers!

And as a Scot I really appreciate how all the revenue from the oil industry in Scotland is 'redistributed' down to Westminster!


Major_Lee_Difficult
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29/08/2008 16:51
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The drugs issue aint about my day but a look at the bigger picture of why it goes on...but that seams beyond your comprehension.





Re: my comprehension of why it goes on, I'll sum it up in a rather crude phrase I heard today: you don't sh!t where you eat. Race promoters, the UCI, the sponsors, the riders - they all depend on bike racing to eat. You've been through the system so you're certainly better qualified than me and most others to suggest a better system. So what do you suggest?

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Integrity:It sells for so, so little but its all you ever realy have.




You're worrying me now. I'm not being facetious when I say this but I think you need to talk to your GP about how you feel. If you genuinely feel that life is bereft of love, hope, meaning, free will, self-reflection and self-awareness, the ability to constantly grow and adapt and choose how you react to the things that are beyond your control then you are in a very dark place. I apologise for the 'tin foil hat' jibe in my earlier post and hope you reflect on what I've just written. Life has so much more to offer than integrity and if you really feel that 'it's all you ever really have' then please talk to your doctor.


scm
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29/08/2008 16:57
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Life has so much more to offer than integrity and if you really feel that 'it's all you ever really have' then please talk to your doctor.



That's terrible advice - he's trying to stay clear of drugs!


wuverley
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29/08/2008 17:28
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coco - you ever though of becoming a politician? Bullshit baffles (small) brains, and you are full of it!



I find the diverse points of view refreshing personally.



( although obviously come the revolution i will eliminate all who oppose me! )




I am sorry for baffling you.

I think you will find that you are wrong on the subject of bullshit Mr Anderson, I hope the wifes career doesn't go all the way down the pan.




Uh?


mamba80
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30/08/2008 08:31
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Modern olympics cost, as you have pointed out, we don't all have to agree with you, no matter what your background is supposed to be.
By complaining about the about the london games, you have ineffect, raised the question of whether they should even go ahead, after all, if we r not going to fund them properly then what is the point?
In answer to our scottish breatheren, i do believe that, per head, scotland gets far more spent on healthcare, education etc, which is y you can afford free further education and give out drugs that us poor southerners cant get.
Anyone who has lived in london knows that most of it is a sxxt hole that needs a fortune spent on it!


bigoldsideofham
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30/08/2008 10:28
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coco - you ever though of becoming a politician? Bullshit baffles (small) brains, and you are full of it!



I find the diverse points of view refreshing personally.



( although obviously come the revolution i will eliminate all who oppose me! )




I am sorry for baffling you.

I think you will find that you are wrong on the subject of bullshit Mr Anderson, I hope the wifes career doesn't go all the way down the pan.








Blimey guvnor your far too clever( read ostentatious ) for me, explination??????


Dazzricles
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30/08/2008 14:23
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The title of this thread is "Olympics 2012...what price is to much?"
So far not a single responce has even sugested there should be a limit!.
Which is probably what there wont be ( any limit)...around 10 billion and rising...no small change is it?..and from an original estimate of 2.5 billion ( any estimater in any business ive heard of would be sacked for getiing it so wrong)
I wonder what that kind of dosh builds in hospitals?...
certainly somthing far more usefull that a couple of weeks entertainment.
The goverment have just annonced 39 million to fund 10 week "taster" courses to encourage 11 to 19 yr olds to try various sports...but as Lib Dem culture spokesman Don Foster points out this "barely scratches the surface" of what has been taken from grassroots sport to cover the 2012 Olympic budget black hole.
To counter the argument that the olympics will encourage youngster to get into sport and maybe stop this epidemic of obesity in this county , well it it aint done nothing to stop the yanks getting fatter has it?...and it wont stop our kids iether.


Dazzricles
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30/08/2008 14:40
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Integrity

William Shakespeare:

This above all: to thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night follows day, thou canst not then be false to any man.

Alexander Hamilton:

Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.


mamba80
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30/08/2008 15:15
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Daryl, i have to agree with you on your last post, it wont make a jot of difference to most people, as the vast majority r fat an lazy, all the billions poured into footie has nt produced a winning England team!
as to no one suggestin a limit...... well thats down to the fact that there wont be one! all the bitchin in the world wont change that! when has a government minister fallen on his sword for a dept budget fiasco? after all there has been enough of them!
i think you must be one of lifes great optimists
NB if you really r DW, your example as a uk pro, is one of the reasons i got into cycling in the first place! so maybe sporting heros really do get the great unwashed of their fat arses!


Dazzricles
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30/08/2008 15:37
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Hi mamba, Suggest a way I can prove who I am and i`l gladly post it!..ive tried a pic but it wont take em..files are to big.
If i inspired you to ride thats great and does actually mean some thing to me. So thank You.


goblin
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30/08/2008 16:00
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The problem with the Olympics is that it isn't just about sport, which is a great shame. It has become a showcase with each host nation feeling that they have to go one better then the previous. At the end of the day, the sport will be exactly the same as the previous Olympics; it's only the times/scores etc that will change. So the only way to improve the games on the previous one is in the paraphernalia that goes with it, all of which is of no consequence to the sport itself.
We could save an absolute fortune if we cut out all the junk.
Just for starters we could save a fortune by getting rid of the crap that goes into the opening and closing ceremonies. Who really wants to sit through all that bollocks anyway, apart from the fat megalomaniac dignitories who want to sit there nodding their heads saying 'look what we did, aren't we clever'.
I think that what is upsetting so many of us about the cost of the Olympics is the amount of money that is going to be spent on unecessary rubbish.
Get it back to basics I say .. concentrate on the sport and cut out all the bollocks; save ourselves a fortune.
That's my rant over on the subject; the sun's out and I've got more important things to worry about - should I cycle coastwards or head inland for my evening ride?


mamba80
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30/08/2008 19:45
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Hi mamba, Suggest a way I can prove who I am and i`l gladly post it!..ive tried a pic but it wont take em..files are to big.
If i inspired you to ride thats great and does actually mean some thing to me. So thank You.




I'm a yr older than you and my dream was to be a pro, and you did it and that was an inspiration! (i did n't!)
As to whether your DW or not, i'll have a change of mind and say that you are! so i'm obviously not a politicain!


Dazzricles
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30/08/2008 22:55
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Thank you mamba, as to u not making it as a pro..be consolled by the fact you still enjoy your cycling..and thats worth more than a pro licence.


plymchick
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31/08/2008 14:50
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The title of this thread is "Olympics 2012...what price is to much?"
So far not a single responce has even sugested there should be a limit!.




Okay... I'll start - £1.50

Seriously, this is an impossible question for any of us on the Forum to answer. We have no control over the Govt's spending on issues like this... take the Millenium Dome as an example. Nor do we have an insight into the costs of the buildings, wages, preparations, planning etc etc etc.

I would like to have faith in the Govt and hope that they do not waste money, but I will probably be more likely to date an alien than this happening. Their initial bid to win the Olympics was to spend £2.5bn. I can understand this rising a bit due to inflation, but to claim that it will cost £10bn plus shows yet again that they are incompetent with budgets.

Is it right that they should spend this much? Only time will tell - profits or losses will not be known until the Olympics happen and the years that follow.


scm
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31/08/2008 15:23
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I would like to have faith in the Govt and hope that they do not waste money, but I will probably be more likely to date an alien than this happening.



Given the money they've already wasted on schools, the NHS, ID cards and their own security and expenses, to name but a few, the likelihood of them breaking their habit of a lifetime when it comes to the Olympics is low to non-existent.


le_petit_grimpeur
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31/08/2008 16:46
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...not to mention Iraq and Afghanistan..

fizban
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24/06/2009 22:44
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It would help I suppose if the LDA don't misplace up to £100million?
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Dazzricles
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24/06/2009 23:01
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It would help I suppose if the LDA don't misplace up to £100million?
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ya gotta hand it big scale money managment aint ya. The recent MP exspences fiasco is pocket money to the scale of corperate and big business fraud ....and tax evasion ( which if paid correctly The Tax Alliance has exstimated would raise more than double that required to solve global famines per annum).
Mind for out and out gobsmacking "black holes" try Donalds Rumsfelds 2. 3 TRILLION $ !!!
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_blackbudget04.htm
Announced on the eve of 9/11 ( coincedence? I doupt it) it went almost un noticed in the news at the time.
What was it some Labour minister once said " now might be a good time to slip out some bad news".


wuverley
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24/06/2009 23:34
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It would help I suppose if the LDA don't misplace up to £100million?
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Small beer.

It's just accounting, it makes no difference, really.


scm
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25/06/2009 09:18
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And as for the money they've wasted, and will continue to waste, on ID cards ....

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