andy1
Reged: 10/08/2008
Posts: 8
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hi everyone im andy,31 years old from darlington county durham and i have just registered tonight,its sunday 10th august 08 (just in case my post doesnt alredy show the date)basically i have loved riding road bikes for the last 6 or so years on and off as well as lifting moderate weights in the gym 2-3 times a week.my main aim is not to be the next lance armstrong or ronnie coleman but to achieve the sort of body you see on the cover of mens health magazine.i currently weigh 90 kilos at 6 ft tall with a healthy-ish diet (damn macdonalds) and could do with losing a stone realistically to be anywhere near where i would like.i would like the advice from fellow cyclists regarding fat burn or muscle???? everytime i lose say 4 kilo i feel much more defined but inevatabely (check spelling) my shirts feel baggie???? i seem to get it into my head by going out and doing a steady 50 miler that all my hard work in the gym has been burned away. subcontiously i know its mainly fat but i wanted to know what other people feel on the topic.any replies would be greatly appreciated.
ps ive just recently treat myself to a bianchi coast2coast for commuting to work and am currently doing approx 150 miles a week.thanks. 
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bigoldsideofham
Reged: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2288
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When all is said and done the biking and a lean body is better for your health and life expectancy than large bulky muscles. Trying to look like a model who is probably 5'11'' tall with the 'correct' genetics for that look is unrealsitic. That look may not be the limit of your potential or even possible. Ive dropped 20 kgs in the last 8 months and a large chunk was fat but the muscle size in my neck shoulders and arms are also much reduced. I have a propensity to put on muscle and fat but i also believe now that my path to becoming the best athlete i can be lies in endurance work on the bike. My legs are a completely different shape having gone from rugby back row forward to cyclist(if a little slimmer). But knowing my body i can nw see the potential for a very fit body (although not the cover model ideal to which you refer) is almost endless on the bike. All this and im still 106kg! Im now at peace that i will no longer have the biggest guns or chest in every room and am happy with the improvements in cardio fitness leg strength and mobility and a heart rate of 46 bpm!
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andy1
Reged: 10/08/2008
Posts: 8
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great feedback mate,thanks.i can definately relate to you saying youve accepted the fact that you wont have the biggest guns in the room.obviously we are our own worst critics and can sometimes strive for more instead of just looking in the mirror and being content with the results. i know mentioning the mens health physique was a bit extreme its just i sometimes wonder how much dedication those guys have to get in that condition.i mean i work continental shifts whereby its supposed to be 4 on 4 off but is usually more like 6 on 2 off (overtime to fund my cycling treats), when i hit that 10 hour stage especially nightshift a coffee and a mars bar is invaluable, but i imagine the likes of those guys cant enjoy any of that,or on your day off casualy calling into burger king for a grotty meal compared to another bland tuna salad.i must admit if thats the dedication it takes i definately know my limits!!!!!!!!!!!! respect where its due.. 
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bfergie
Reged: 19/04/2008
Posts: 3653
Loc: Sticks ,Scotlandshire
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Their body is their full time job so don't worry about copying them, be fit and be happy.
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Scouser
Reged: 17/02/2008
Posts: 647
Loc: N Wales
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There a few things or more in this I can identify with.
For me I have done / do loads of cycling - putting in a few hundred miles or so a week. Also I have done / do heaps of hours on weights.
So, I have a fairly decent body muscles and fitness. A nice combo.
However there are things that wreck it very easily - red meat, eggs, etc - I never touch it.
Cheese - well worth avoiding.
Booze - give it a very wide berth, unfortunataly it can be quite hard, at least for me, it's my one and only indulgence.
However it will hold you back. Leave off the stuff and the waist (6 pack) etc will come
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scm
Reged: 24/06/2006
Posts: 1735
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A lot of that "definition" is created by dehydrating the body, and you definitely shouldn't want to go there!
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Philippo76
Reged: 09/06/2008
Posts: 107
Loc: Morecambe
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The boys in the mags are a rare breed - the male equivalent of Elle McPherson et al.
I used to box and when I did my body was probably the best it has ever been. If you want to get a bit more definition then get down to your amateur club and join in.
Warm up - Skipping - hitting the bags - maybe some pad work once they know your face - circuits at the end (and a sick bucket).
You'll drop any extra unwanted flab and get a whole body work out without putting on tonnes of muscle. Plus a lot of work on the legs will be good for when on the bike.
2 - 3 times a week and I guarantee you will feel and see the difference.
Enjoy
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bfergie
Reged: 19/04/2008
Posts: 3653
Loc: Sticks ,Scotlandshire
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- maybe some pad work once they know your face
Eh once they know your face don't they want to hit it  ?? ouch
Good suggestion though, not many flabby boxers about except the odd super heavyweight nearing retirement but don't tell them I said that!!
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blackdog
Reged: 14/10/2007
Posts: 5
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Hi
I used to do bodybuilding years ago before I started cycling so I can appreciate why you're keen to get that physique but believe me it's a huge effort and you can actually end up putting on weight rather than losing it. As somebody else mentioned the sharp "ripped" look comes from severe dieting and basically drinking very little so it's not an ideal diet for a cyclist. Keep up the good work and just eat less combined with the odd "light" weight workout and you'll get there.
Good luck.
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notguiltyyourhonour
Reged: 27/04/2008
Posts: 297
Loc: Bristol
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Black Dog it's not quite so hard as you make out but a lot of it is all down to genetics and your ability to put on muscle and keep off fat. I used to do a lot more weightlifting and got a very ripped physique but decided I'd much rather be quick on a bike than look good on holiday so no longer work out my upper body. Sadly for me it seems a lot harder to get rid of all the muscle than to put it on in the first place!!
But if you are determined to get that look then the weight training will be a lot more important than cardio because that is what zapps the fat and big muscles keep on burning the fat even when you're sitting at home watching big brother!
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Scouser
Reged: 17/02/2008
Posts: 647
Loc: N Wales
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They airbrush a load of fat n flab out as well I think, and they must put some sort of mascara equivalent arounf the ab muscles cos they always look like they've been pencilled in or something.
Guess a lot is on the genes. However, for me, I have had to put a hell of a lot of careful eating and dilligent exercise in. Think I'm about 78Kilos at the moment 32/ 34 waist about a 42chest and 6ft. Happy enough with that - but I also know it doesn't take much for it to all go haywire. A fortnight in a hotel for e.g. with buffet meals - a dangerous place for me, and if in Spain with cheap booze - even worse.
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bfergie
Reged: 19/04/2008
Posts: 3653
Loc: Sticks ,Scotlandshire
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They airbrush a load of fat n flab out as well I think
Oh can I get one of those, maybe an industrial turboprop powered one?
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
Posts: 4045
Loc: Man of Kent
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I've read all this twice and I dont really understand. (I'm not being antaganostic for the sake of it, really)
Does Andy1 want to look like a model on a body building magazine, or become a quicker/fitter cyclist? The two are incompatible, as far as I know.
You can be fit and play rugby, or box or weightlift or cycle, or combine these sports but you will be unusual if you can then model as a aerobic gym champ type.
Sorry, I'll shut up
10 stone overweight climbers can get irritable.
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bigoldsideofham
Reged: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2288
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Agreed. Errrr are you tern stone plus the 'overweight' bit - ie: 5 stone or so. Or are you 10 stone and consider yourself overweight? I only asked because doing the maths my body with zero fat would still weigh 13 stone and 4 pounds!!!!!
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
Posts: 4045
Loc: Man of Kent
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I am a skinny type, naturally. I weigh 10 stone now, and am 9 pounds heavier than what might be described as my racing weight,which I once was. At the time I had about 8% body fat, at present I have a small beer gut, well mostly wine actually. If I left off that then I might get skinnier.
(I gave up rugby at the age of 21 because I was often having to tackle blokes twice my weight, which can hurt)
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bfergie
Reged: 19/04/2008
Posts: 3653
Loc: Sticks ,Scotlandshire
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I gave up rugby at the age of 21 because I was often having to tackle blokes twice my weight, which can hurt)
I used to tackle blokes your weight....didn't hurt one bit!
Just thought I would add some balance to the thread..  No wonder you can rocket up hills, My legs will weigh near that, lucky sod!
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goblin
Reged: 31/03/2007
Posts: 1389
Loc: down yur me anzum
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well mostly wine actually. If I left off that then I might get skinnier.
Oh no, dont go and do anything silly now!
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
Posts: 4045
Loc: Man of Kent
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I won't
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NeilC
Reged: 22/04/2007
Posts: 14
Loc: Norwich, Norfolk
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Hi Andy, I also do the 4 on 4 off work pattern you do. I find that the time between 2.00am and 4.00am the hardest regarding food, I'm sure it's just boredom. I try to do a ride on my way home, nothing to long ~25km, just to try to get rid of the nighttime food. I've not lost much weight (still around 100kg) but it's changing from lard to muscle. If you find anything that helps lose weight for shift workers please let me know
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