mamba80
Reged: 09/08/2007
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Loc: Cornwall
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Would that be the same type of clarity that see`s an esimated bill quadruple with four years still to go?
You wouldnt want them in as ya builders would ya!...lol
Hold on, YOU went to LA and no doubt made a few bob out of that, so why begrudge others the same oportunities?
sure the Olympics is a farce (the building of it) but if GB does well it'll take our minds of living in this dull, souless country full of wingers an complainers.
As to the stock market, yes it is not all good but most of us on this forum have pensions and we'll all be complaining if we had to give them up.
How many of us shop at primark or asda or Aldi or Lidl? or do we really believe that waitross or M&S are any more ethical?
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Major_Lee_Difficult
Reged: 14/12/2006
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Hold on, YOU went to LA and no doubt made a few bob out of that, so why begrudge others the same oportunities?
You've hit the nail on the head there. He went to the games and 24 years later he's whining that it's all corrupt but can't suggest an alternative. He's got the inside scoop on all the top pros from his day being drug users but won't say anything for fear of being sued. I'll reiterate what I've already said:
If you know ***** ****** was a big user then talk to David Walsh or Paul Kimmage. Both are award winning journalists with the resources of a national newspaper behind them. Let them tell your story.
If you don't like the Olympics, don't watch the Olympics. Stay in your bunker wearing a tin foil hat in case big business tries to brain wash you. Not sure where you'll get your tinned food and bottled water from though. The supermarkets are all in on it, you know.
The Olympics is entertainment. Same as football, same as F1, same as any sport. What's wrong with that? And for once, cyclists are part of the in-group. Instead of being told to get off the road or having stuff thrown out of cars at us, people are shouting positive comments about Bejing. You think that's a bad thing?
As for your comment about control through fear and pleasure: what are the most common and powerful human drives? Fear and pleasure. I presume that once upon a time you rode your bike for pleasure. Winning gave you pleasure (or maybe the fear of losing drove you). Being chosen to represent your country at the Olympics gave you pleasure (or did it?). You are no different. Fear and pleasure drive us all.
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coco
Reged: 13/04/2007
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Do you consider clarity a valuable element of language?
Aint bovvered, but you know
Sorry mate, dont know what your on about.
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bigoldsideofham
Reged: 23/12/2007
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coco - you ever though of becoming a politician? Bullshit baffles (small) brains, and you are full of it!
I find the diverse points of view refreshing personally.
( although obviously come the revolution i will eliminate all who oppose me! )
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bfergie
Reged: 19/04/2008
Posts: 3653
Loc: Sticks ,Scotlandshire
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I think wuverley means that there is probably a more simple therefore clear way of expressing your opinions. Everything in it's place I say. Put it this way, your grasp of language seems impressive, I am no expert but if that use of language was in the "tech" section we might all get square wheels. It takes a lot of effort to read and fathom out some of the last posts which last thing at night doesn't always work with me so after re-reading, losing my place etc I switch off. I am not being critical of anyones writing, especially since it's far better constructed than I can ever do, just sometimes like listening to m.ps you just want to scream "what's your point and get to it before I glaze over!"
Bigold put it the way I was trying to avoid but he said it right!!
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Dazzricles
Reged: 24/08/2008
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Were do i begrudge any rider "making a few bob"?..no where. Im as pleased as the next man bout Gb teams performance and have said so.
The drugs issue aint about my day but a look at the bigger picture of why it goes on...but that seams beyond your comprehension.
Control though fear/ pleasure are the themes of two great books of 20th Century..and they are pertinant to our society.
Integrity:It sells for so, so little but its all you ever realy have.
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ridley105
Reged: 22/05/2008
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As the world's largest international banking centre with a 50% share of all European activity and Europe's second largest city economy after Paris, year-by-year London generates approximately 20% of the UK's GDP[130] (or $446 billion in 2005); while the economy of the London metropolitan area - the second largest in Europe - generates approximately 30% of UK's GDP (or an estimated $669 billion in 2005).[133]
I think considering how much money this Government has redistributed to the North and Scotland us southerners should be entitled to you lot paying for something down here.
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cheninblancrcruise63
Reged: 27/03/2007
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Loc: Consett
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I think considering how much money this Government has redistributed to the North and Scotland us southerners should be entitled to you lot paying for something down here.
I paid £5 for a pint of Stella in a London hotel on Wednesday night - I've done my bit 
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ridley105
Reged: 22/05/2008
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I think considering how much money this Government has redistributed to the North and Scotland us southerners should be entitled to you lot paying for something down here.
I paid £5 for a pint of Stella in a London hotel on Wednesday night - I've done my bit
Excellent work!!!! 
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coco
Reged: 13/04/2007
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coco - you ever though of becoming a politician? Bullshit baffles (small) brains, and you are full of it!
I find the diverse points of view refreshing personally.
( although obviously come the revolution i will eliminate all who oppose me! )
I am sorry for baffling you.
I think you will find that you are wrong on the subject of bullshit Mr Anderson, I hope the wifes career doesn't go all the way down the pan.
Edited by coco (29/08/2008 16:15)
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rover1971
Reged: 09/06/2008
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Loc: Aberdeen, Scotland
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As the world's largest international banking centre with a 50% share of all European activity and Europe's second largest city economy after Paris, year-by-year London generates approximately 20% of the UK's GDP[130] (or $446 billion in 2005); while the economy of the London metropolitan area - the second largest in Europe - generates approximately 30% of UK's GDP (or an estimated $669 billion in 2005).[133]
I think considering how much money this Government has redistributed to the North and Scotland us southerners should be entitled to you lot paying for something down here.
Yes, I've heard Londons full of merchant bankers! 
And as a Scot I really appreciate how all the revenue from the oil industry in Scotland is 'redistributed' down to Westminster!
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Major_Lee_Difficult
Reged: 14/12/2006
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The drugs issue aint about my day but a look at the bigger picture of why it goes on...but that seams beyond your comprehension.
Re: my comprehension of why it goes on, I'll sum it up in a rather crude phrase I heard today: you don't sh!t where you eat. Race promoters, the UCI, the sponsors, the riders - they all depend on bike racing to eat. You've been through the system so you're certainly better qualified than me and most others to suggest a better system. So what do you suggest?
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Integrity:It sells for so, so little but its all you ever realy have.
You're worrying me now. I'm not being facetious when I say this but I think you need to talk to your GP about how you feel. If you genuinely feel that life is bereft of love, hope, meaning, free will, self-reflection and self-awareness, the ability to constantly grow and adapt and choose how you react to the things that are beyond your control then you are in a very dark place. I apologise for the 'tin foil hat' jibe in my earlier post and hope you reflect on what I've just written. Life has so much more to offer than integrity and if you really feel that 'it's all you ever really have' then please talk to your doctor.
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scm
Reged: 24/06/2006
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Life has so much more to offer than integrity and if you really feel that 'it's all you ever really have' then please talk to your doctor.
That's terrible advice - he's trying to stay clear of drugs!
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
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Loc: Man of Kent
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coco - you ever though of becoming a politician? Bullshit baffles (small) brains, and you are full of it!
I find the diverse points of view refreshing personally.
( although obviously come the revolution i will eliminate all who oppose me! )
I am sorry for baffling you.
I think you will find that you are wrong on the subject of bullshit Mr Anderson, I hope the wifes career doesn't go all the way down the pan.
Uh? 
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mamba80
Reged: 09/08/2007
Posts: 403
Loc: Cornwall
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Modern olympics cost, as you have pointed out, we don't all have to agree with you, no matter what your background is supposed to be.
By complaining about the about the london games, you have ineffect, raised the question of whether they should even go ahead, after all, if we r not going to fund them properly then what is the point?
In answer to our scottish breatheren, i do believe that, per head, scotland gets far more spent on healthcare, education etc, which is y you can afford free further education and give out drugs that us poor southerners cant get.
Anyone who has lived in london knows that most of it is a sxxt hole that needs a fortune spent on it!
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bigoldsideofham
Reged: 23/12/2007
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coco - you ever though of becoming a politician? Bullshit baffles (small) brains, and you are full of it!
I find the diverse points of view refreshing personally.
( although obviously come the revolution i will eliminate all who oppose me! )
I am sorry for baffling you.
I think you will find that you are wrong on the subject of bullshit Mr Anderson, I hope the wifes career doesn't go all the way down the pan.
Blimey guvnor your far too clever( read ostentatious ) for me, explination??????
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Dazzricles
Reged: 24/08/2008
Posts: 621
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The title of this thread is "Olympics 2012...what price is to much?"
So far not a single responce has even sugested there should be a limit!.
Which is probably what there wont be ( any limit)...around 10 billion and rising...no small change is it?..and from an original estimate of 2.5 billion ( any estimater in any business ive heard of would be sacked for getiing it so wrong)
I wonder what that kind of dosh builds in hospitals?...
certainly somthing far more usefull that a couple of weeks entertainment.
The goverment have just annonced 39 million to fund 10 week "taster" courses to encourage 11 to 19 yr olds to try various sports...but as Lib Dem culture spokesman Don Foster points out this "barely scratches the surface" of what has been taken from grassroots sport to cover the 2012 Olympic budget black hole.
To counter the argument that the olympics will encourage youngster to get into sport and maybe stop this epidemic of obesity in this county , well it it aint done nothing to stop the yanks getting fatter has it?...and it wont stop our kids iether.
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Dazzricles
Reged: 24/08/2008
Posts: 621
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Integrity
William Shakespeare:
This above all: to thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night follows day, thou canst not then be false to any man.
Alexander Hamilton:
Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.
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mamba80
Reged: 09/08/2007
Posts: 403
Loc: Cornwall
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Daryl, i have to agree with you on your last post, it wont make a jot of difference to most people, as the vast majority r fat an lazy, all the billions poured into footie has nt produced a winning England team!
as to no one suggestin a limit...... well thats down to the fact that there wont be one! all the bitchin in the world wont change that! when has a government minister fallen on his sword for a dept budget fiasco? after all there has been enough of them!
i think you must be one of lifes great optimists 
NB if you really r DW, your example as a uk pro, is one of the reasons i got into cycling in the first place! so maybe sporting heros really do get the great unwashed of their fat arses!
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Dazzricles
Reged: 24/08/2008
Posts: 621
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Hi mamba, Suggest a way I can prove who I am and i`l gladly post it!..ive tried a pic but it wont take em..files are to big.
If i inspired you to ride thats great and does actually mean some thing to me. So thank You.
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