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getonyerbike



Reged: 16/09/2008
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Supplements
      #34649 - 16/09/2008 07:51

Are any of you aware of this? http://www.badscience.net/

I've been reading CW for a few years on and off and have been taking its primary role as a trade journal (presenting adverts as features) with a pinch of salt, but Ben Goldacre's campaigning has alerted me to the consequences of sloppy science journalism, marketing with shoddy research and pseudo-scientific jargon with the aim of swindling the public (cyclists) and dumbing-down their understanding of science. I'm happy to send CW a copy of Badscience the book to CW to review, though you can find out what you need to know about clinical trials and nutrition on the website. I wouldn't expect CW to bite the hand that feeds it, but I don't think its readers should be deceived or kept in the dark.
The Mattias Rath article on the badscience website is a good place to start.
Competing interests: Road racer, Medical doctor and clinical tutor.


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getonyerbike



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Re: Supplements [Re: getonyerbike]
      #34766 - 16/09/2008 23:04

I think i should be a little more direct and suggest you check this: http://holfordwatch.info/

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wuverley



Reged: 16/05/2008
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Re: Supplements [Re: getonyerbike]
      #34771 - 16/09/2008 23:56

Er, what are you trying to say? It might be clearer if you made a comment about a particular approach to sports nutrition or medication. Then we could discuss it.

A lot of the fitness stuff in the comic leaves me baffled, but thats because I don't know any better. If it looks odd then I ignore it, if it looks sensible then I consider it.

Keep posting, by all means, but give us something to talk about.

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Invicta


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scm



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Re: Supplements [Re: wuverley]
      #34777 - 17/09/2008 07:15

I listened to Ben Goldacre's recent radio 4 series on placebos and was amused by his constantly returning to the question of whether is was right for doctors to "deceive" their patients over the use of placebos. He's obviously blind to the fact that they've been deceiving people for decades by pretending that the body is incapable of healing itself without medical interference.

And a great example of that was in Jon Ronson's first programme in which he spoke to a bloke who'd been diagnosed with cancer of the pancreas and given 6 months to live. The bloke turned his life around, did the things he'd always wanted to do and spent all his money, only for the doctor tell him after 6 months there was no sign of the tumour and that he'd "got the diagnosis wrong". What rot! A more plausible explanation (to me) was that the bloke had stopped doing whatever it was that had caused the tumour to grow, and that the body had healed itself.

Just like if I scratch myself on a thorn when I'm gardening - after 6 months, without "help" from a doctor, my skin bears no sign of the scratch - does that mean I was mistaken in thinking I'd been scratched?


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plymchick



Reged: 17/09/2007
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Re: Supplements [Re: scm]
      #34804 - 17/09/2008 16:39

Its all very confusing. One minute the scientists etc are telling us this, that and the other is good for us, and then a few years later, they discover that this, that and the other have bad side affects The latest one I've heard is that soya can now cause memory loss and bring on dementia early... yet not so long ago we were told it was practically a wonder food.

CW usually gives clinical / scientific trial details when writing about this type of stuff and ultimately is up to the individual as to whether they try it or not. Having said that, it is good to know that there are websites out there like Bad Science, that are challenging the claims


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kieran



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Re: Supplements [Re: plymchick]
      #34943 - 18/09/2008 18:05

one thing i`ve learnt over the years is:

Depending on who you talk to; everything is bad for you.

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daveno7



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Re: Supplements [Re: kieran]
      #34972 - 18/09/2008 21:21

with research comes ethics, and who paid for the work done, and value of the research - the value of research can always be discredited by others who put a valid arguement against or for...

vit c tablets -a bit on a con someone told me

daveno7


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