Troy
Reged: 09/11/2006
Posts: 254
Loc: S Lakes
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After the mess/mistake of signing Basso - there is no way that Johan will repeat that.
At least I really, really hope not.
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bfergie
Reged: 19/04/2008
Posts: 3637
Loc: Sticks ,Scotlandshire
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Vino, Basso, Armstrong..Next season will be interesting. As for Johan not making the same mistake again...Will he really have a choice..Kazakh tean...Kazakhstans super star rider, I think the sponsors might have the final say!
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daveno7
Reged: 04/03/2007
Posts: 647
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there is rock racing! astana dont have any bad blood left,just imagine the bus..!..the enfant terribles of the sport are climbing out of the woodwork and are begining to slowly strangle the credibility of the sport...
now uci - get some backbone and dont let them return and make a mockery of our sport
daveno7
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newhero
Reged: 23/09/2008
Posts: 253
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Just read that banned riders like Vino signed a contract stating they had to pay one years salary back to the UCI if they were caught positive.
If its not paid they are not alowed back. Also you cant re join a pro tour team for another two years after your ban has finished, Im sure I read that somewhere. Perhaps one of the more enlightened forumers can put me straight?
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2wheels
Reged: 23/09/2008
Posts: 153
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The Pro-tour has died on it's arse so presumably that particular rule has unfortunately died with it.
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Troy
Reged: 09/11/2006
Posts: 254
Loc: S Lakes
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I just can not see any way at all that Vino, or any team he rode for, be allowed to ride the tour.
Did he ever actually admit his cheating? I missed it if he did.
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Bryan48
Reged: 28/07/2008
Posts: 99
Loc: Co Cavan .Ireland
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No No No I can't take any more of these come backs, As Amy Winehouse songs goes, No, nO No,
I see Tina Turner is making a comeback at 68, and Also Midge Ure is back. Just Saw Boy George on Jools Holland last night. What's he on!!
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plymchick
Reged: 17/09/2007
Posts: 251
Loc: World Of My Own
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Another planet!!! 
I can't see Vino being welcomed back with open arms by the cycling community. I for one think its ridiculous 
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steve_j
Reged: 12/11/2006
Posts: 73
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As Amy Winehouse songs goes,
I'd take issue with the songs part- it implies she/he/it can sing !!
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goblin
Reged: 31/03/2007
Posts: 1377
Loc: down yur me anzum
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now uci - get some backbone and dont let them return and make a mockery of our sport
The words 'stable' 'horse' and 'bolted' come to mind.
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
Posts: 3999
Loc: Man of Kent
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If he's done his time, why not? A fine rider.
Armstrong, Contador, Vinokourov, Kloden, what a dream team.
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goblin
Reged: 31/03/2007
Posts: 1377
Loc: down yur me anzum
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Personally, I was a big fan of Vino with a strong belief in him, so unlike all the 'others', his downfall really hurt. For this reason I would have preferred it if he had stayed away. I suppose it might be because I couldn't really give a toss about what happens to all the others, but there are still too many feelings about Vino. Hard to explain really. 
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
Posts: 3999
Loc: Man of Kent
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I think that's why people hated him for blood doping, he was the new exciting upcoming rider, with the potential to be an Armstrong or even more.
That's the thing about having athletes as heroes, they're not really. Just people doing their best, possibly even cheating to be better.
{Controversially} Its the same with soldiers killed in Afghanistan or Iraq, most are not heroes, they're just there doing the job that they're meant to do. To be a hero you need to go beyond what most people can face, and that rarely applies to sportspeople, either.
All heroes have feet of clay.
Sorry for the gloomy post.
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stevemacd
Reged: 12/03/2008
Posts: 27
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hes only done his time because he pretended,after being caught as a colossal cheat,that he was going to retire,resulting in what was seen as a desultory 1 year ban by the Kazakh authorities instead of anything harsher;just another lie from Vino.He shouldnt be allowed back in the sport ever and any team that signs him should be banned permenantly.
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Troy
Reged: 09/11/2006
Posts: 254
Loc: S Lakes
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Vinokourov may run into some obstacles to his planned return. UCI president Pat McQuaid said the rider would have to complete a two-year suspension. "There is no way he comes back until he agrees on the two-year suspension," McQuaid told Reuters on Saturday. "The UCI had a case pending with the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), which we only withdrew because he announced he was retiring."
from Cycling news today.
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newhero
Reged: 23/09/2008
Posts: 253
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Wuverley, Im disappointed in you.
Lets face it Vino cheated, hoped he would get away with it, but got caught. Like the rest of the proven cheats if he hadnt been caught he would still be cheating, and geting big fat contracts on the back of that cheating that should have gone to someone else.
Its about time the rest of the world caught up with the French and introduced the charge of sporting fraud, with fines and custodial sentences, then the cheats might think twice.
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stevemacd
Reged: 12/03/2008
Posts: 27
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even if he has to complete a 2 year suspension id like to see any team that signs him not getting invites to the likes of TDF,giro,vuelta etc;he may be the big sporting hero in his homeland but im sure his team would get bored of the continued cold shoulder pretty quick.
if he is allowed to race again then everything cycling has been trying to achieve in the last few years will have been for nothing and it will fully deserve to be known as the domain of cheats.
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MagnersCattlegridCon
Reged: 25/04/2008
Posts: 644
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semi-related:
came across this on wikipedia, the sheer length of it doesn't make for good reading, and brings up a few current names i had forgotten about....
Doping cases in cycling
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bfergie
Reged: 19/04/2008
Posts: 3637
Loc: Sticks ,Scotlandshire
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That's one long list of names and one long list of chemicals, 1896...nitroglycerine!!!!! I think I would suffer more than hallucinations with that in my system..Oh would you be more worried about the imaginery man chasing you with a knife or the very real Bomb in your intestines???
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dang
Reged: 16/06/2006
Posts: 925
Loc: twixt 7 & ?
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This list is even longer. Not just cyclists!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_sport
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