bfergie
Reged: 19/04/2008
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It looks like the UCI are meaning business, from january 09 a 4 year ban will be the time to serve for cheating! Good start UCI, well done!
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/15102008/58/uci-introduce-longer-doping-bans.html
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newhero
Reged: 23/09/2008
Posts: 253
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Great news.
Its fairly obvious that two years is not detering the potential cheats, so four years might make the scumbags think.
Khol even admited he took CERA cos he thought it was undetectable.
It still seems that some doctor or other is advising these guys as to the chances of cheating without geting caught.
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johnstrac
Reged: 05/11/2006
Posts: 761
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I think that most would take something "undetectable" to improve performance.
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colnagodram
Reged: 06/04/2008
Posts: 769
Loc: Langholm, Dumfriesshire. 10 mi...
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Is that on tests starting in 2009 or some still to come from this year? 
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bfergie
Reged: 19/04/2008
Posts: 3653
Loc: Sticks ,Scotlandshire
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Yes, riders caught from january 09 onwards!
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GilbertPantani98
Reged: 02/04/2008
Posts: 361
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very good news but the sooner we introduce life bans the better. Then the option would be simple, do what you love doing for a living, earning a good wage and the respect and adululation of the fans or have to pack up in shame and have to a 9-5 like the rest of us wondering what they could have done if only they hadnt injected.
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MagnersCattlegridCon
Reged: 25/04/2008
Posts: 648
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do a 9-5??
More likely just write a few books or be allowed to "teach" younger cyclists.
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
Posts: 4046
Loc: Man of Kent
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Is this an edict from on high, or something to be consulted about?
Too often the UCI and McQuaid come out with something without thinking it through or consulting interested parties and listening to them. Hence all the pointless aggro with the Protour.
It would be good if the UCI could behave as the democratic governing body of cycle sport and not the ruling junta who must be obeyed.
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Bryan48
Reged: 28/07/2008
Posts: 99
Loc: Co Cavan .Ireland
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If any of you guys were pros, and were offered the oppourtunity to dope, win more races and earn a bigger paycheck etc, would you say no, or would you take the risk.
Try for a moment to get of the couch and put yourself in a pro's sweatey shoes!
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rover1971
Reged: 09/06/2008
Posts: 349
Loc: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Good point Bryan48, it's easy for guys here to criticise the pro's but realistically if a pro can't perform he ain't going to pay his bills and if all the other pro's are doping what choice do the new pro's have?
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thatwomanagain
Reged: 30/07/2006
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realistically if a pro can't perform he ain't going to pay his bills and if all the other pro's are doping what choice do the new pro's have?
Get a proper job??? 
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rover1971
Reged: 09/06/2008
Posts: 349
Loc: Aberdeen, Scotland
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After committing so many years to the sport, missing out on further education to try and make it in cycling? Not so easy then to turn away from it and get a 'proper' job!
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thatwomanagain
Reged: 30/07/2006
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After committing so many years to the sport, missing out on further education to try and make it in cycling? Not so easy then to turn away from it and get a 'proper' job!
But unless they've been living in a total news vacuum then surely they know what they're getting into from the outset?
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plymchick
Reged: 17/09/2007
Posts: 251
Loc: World Of My Own
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If any of you guys were pros, and were offered the oppourtunity to dope, win more races and earn a bigger paycheck etc, would you say no, or would you take the risk.
(unlikely to happen) they could start by outting the cheats - then they will only have to race against clean riders! If pro cyclists want the clean race they say they do, then THEY need to do something about it as well, instead of relying on the testing agencies to find the cheats.
As TWA says, they know what they're getting into.
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rover1971
Reged: 09/06/2008
Posts: 349
Loc: Aberdeen, Scotland
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So you suggest a new pro joining a team then reporting all the dopers (providing evidence to back your claims) just like that, with the team losing all it's star riders? Bit unrealistic I reckon, but in an ideal world yes that would be the case!
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bigoldsideofham
Reged: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2288
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I just dont understand the dilemma. If someone is lying cheating scum then screw them. They made their beds let them lie in them. I just cannot agree with the 'everyone else was doing it so i did' mentality. Its so bloody feeble to blame others for your own actions. There have been things that i have dreamt about doing in life but owing to physical disability or not fitting a set of criteria i have had to alter the targets i strive for. Not cheat and steal to get what i wanted in the first place. Lilly livered idiots need to face facts, if they cant make the grade then take a step back and review goals. IF they believe everyone in the top level is cheating and they cannot win at that level just work for someone else OR if cycling is the dream career ride for a continental team and sleep well at night. Dont give your soul away for a pouch of silver its sad and pathetic.
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thatwomanagain
Reged: 30/07/2006
Posts: 2335
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And back to the length of the ban - two years is really neither here nor there to a pro cyclist. They earn so much that they never have to look for another job when they're suspended. They just spend two years training in the countryside then come back keen and refreshed. Four years might at least hurt them in the pocket enough to think about the consequences. I mean I wouldn't mind getting the sack if it meant that I could go swanning about on my bike for two years, without a care in the world! 
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
Posts: 4046
Loc: Man of Kent
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Are you sure twa?
Basso and Heras were well paid before their suspension, but was Moises Duenas (caught at the TdeF, if anyone's forgotten). There is a world of difference between what the stars earn and the domestiques.
As I've said somewhere else, if the sponsors get fed up with the continuing drug failures, then the sport will contract and everyone will be on lower wages.
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Dazzricles
Reged: 24/08/2008
Posts: 621
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You wern`t an Ayatollah in a past life BigOld?
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bfergie
Reged: 19/04/2008
Posts: 3653
Loc: Sticks ,Scotlandshire
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You wern`t an Ayatollah in a past life BigOld?
Ah now we we know, you are the Ayatollah kHAMeini!
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