onlyme
Reged: 19/02/2008
Posts: 269
Loc: Potteries
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I know it's been discussed on here before but I'm just wondering how Basso can return to a pro tour team and race pro tour events? I thought they were only allowed in continental races and teams after a suspension.
I know he's not the only ( Millar and every other suspended rider ) in fact has any rider ever come back not to a pro tour team?
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bigoldsideofham
Reged: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2288
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It was an agreement between teams not a uci ruling.
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James70
Reged: 09/11/2006
Posts: 436
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What a disgrace that man is.
One thing that proves he is still a doper is that he wont condemn doping or other dopers. With a bit of luck he will be tested morning noon and night for the rest of his career.
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newhero
Reged: 23/09/2008
Posts: 253
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I think Millars was before the current agreement regarding banned riders not returning to Pro Tour teams.
Basso's is more difficult. I dont think he tested positive for anything, he was sacked after Puerto implication.
I cant see the Tour inviting Liquigas though, I think they may have shot themselves in the foot over the Basso signing.
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Helen
Reged: 10/01/2008
Posts: 159
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Basso will not ride Tour, but the Giro & Vuelta
http://www.sports.fr/cmc/scanner/cyclisme/200842/basso-sur-le-giro-et-la-vuelta_200263.html
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scm
Reged: 24/06/2006
Posts: 1735
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One thing that proves he is still a doper is that he wont condemn doping or other dopers.
Hardly "proof" - if I'd been caught wrong-doing, I certainly wouldn't feel I had the right to condemn others who'd done the same.
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tonybv9
Reged: 08/10/2007
Posts: 751
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Millar gets flak for speaking out against doping, Basso gets it for staying quiet.
I'm glad to see Basso back; a classy rider. He's served his time. Like he says, he can look himself in the mirror again.
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onlyme
Reged: 19/02/2008
Posts: 269
Loc: Potteries
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Millar gets flak for speaking out against doping, Basso gets it for staying quiet.
Millar gets flak off me because he may speak out against doping but doesn't speak out about how he and others beat the testing system
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Bryan48
Reged: 28/07/2008
Posts: 99
Loc: Co Cavan .Ireland
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WEll it's great Basso, Millar and Now Kohl all want to promote ,clean cycling'. Of course they may mean that they will always ride on clean bikes with clean kit1!!
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newhero
Reged: 23/09/2008
Posts: 253
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Know what you mean Bryan48.
Most of the so called ex cheats are only clean now because they got caught. If they had not been caught they would still be cheating.
I cant remember one rider fully admiting cheating, saying sorry to his team, his team mates or his sponsors.
None have said where they got the substances from, who supplied them and who recommended they take it and how to avoid the controls.
If one of the slimey cheats had the b***s to do all of the above then I would forgive and welcome them back.
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Bryan48
Reged: 28/07/2008
Posts: 99
Loc: Co Cavan .Ireland
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Yes if they are really sincere about being clean, tell it all, spill the beans, and expose all the culprits invloved. Until this happens then we can,t believe any ex doper is now riding clean.
I'm reading Matt Rendells book on Pantani at the moment. Interesting stuuf about EPO use .
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eric09
Reged: 14/11/2007
Posts: 675
Loc: Doc Fuentes' lab
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We as amateurs can't comprehend the pressure put onto these riders to perform, and if we are blanking out dopers why don't we never read another Paul Kimmage article. We should just keep a more open mind towards dopers, it is their livelihood and we don't have the right to take away someone's profession, even if they did taint the sport.
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newhero
Reged: 23/09/2008
Posts: 253
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I read Rendells book, and Manuela Ronchi's on the same subject.
I found it heartbreaking to follow the sad decline of a man so loved by so many.
I know he cheated and deserved to be banned, but his slide into recreational drug abuse and total inability to beat his adiction made them both very difficult and at times depresing to read.
Marco Pantani. So strong physically but so vulnerable emotionally. RIP.
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bigoldsideofham
Reged: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2288
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IUts them who take away their own living - not us, and they deserve eevry bit of it! Its not just the gifted who have pressures to perform-we all do.
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steve_j
Reged: 12/11/2006
Posts: 74
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Kohl - how prophetic
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Bear
Reged: 01/02/2007
Posts: 148
Loc: Bakewell
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Yes if they are really sincere about being clean, tell it all, spill the beans, and expose all the culprits invloved. Until this happens then we can,t believe any ex doper is now riding clean.
They prob do spill the beans, but the authorities have to actually catch them in the act. They cant act on hearsay, it would be a legal nightmare and you still wouldn't have proof. With the increase in positives and the "targeting" tests, I would say some riders are helping in the cause.
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howiecycles
Reged: 02/02/2008
Posts: 4
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I read Rendells book, and Manuela Ronchi's on the same subject.
I found it heartbreaking to follow the sad decline of a man so loved by so many.
I know he cheated and deserved to be banned, but his slide into recreational drug abuse and total inability to beat his adiction made them both very difficult and at times depresing to read.
Marco Pantani. So strong physically but so vulnerable emotionally. RIP.
I have witnessed this in a young man I worked with. At 16 he was excluded from a special school because of behavioural difficulties. He was unemployed and began drinking. Trouble with the police and used to visit me in the morning sometimes aleady drunk. (His sister was already a known heroin user and he condemed her for this). I met him about a year later. 19 by now, he told me he was injecting, "sh1t happens" he reckoned. Professionals and ordinary people alike - drugs are drugs. It is neve pretty or justifyable.
{sorry if this is nothing to do with cycling, but drugs just p1ss me off}.
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plymchick
Reged: 17/09/2007
Posts: 251
Loc: World Of My Own
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I agree wiht Howie. Everyone is aware of the risks that come with taking drugs - both ordinary people and professional sportpersons. They have a choice. I hate this victim mentality where everyone blames someone else for their misfortunes. Take responsibility for your own actions.
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
Posts: 4043
Loc: Man of Kent
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I don't think Pantani blamed anyone for his drug use. Everyone else did, blame someone else, for it.
"The Death of Marco Pantani" is one of the most depressing, and dull books I've read about cycling. I read it because I am a fan of Pantani (not was, yet!) but it only really discussed drug use not Pantani, to any extent.
I find the obsession with drug use dull, but fully accept it needs stamping out.
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thatwomanagain
Reged: 30/07/2006
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Loc: Hugh Porter country...
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"The Death of Marco Pantani" is one of the most depressing, and dull books I've read about cycling. I read it because I am a fan of Pantani (not was, yet!) but it only really discussed drug use not Pantani, to any extent.
Yes,I started it too, but didn't finish. I read books for relaxation, not punishment! 
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