DougMorley
Reged: 15/12/2006
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So Simeoni might be hoping that another rider on the Astana team will be in a position to sign him up. So it has been suggested.
I thought that the present manager was this Bryneel geezer. Now he's been usurped by this other rider on the team, has he?
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
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Simeoni will NOT be riding for Astana. I'll eat my hat if he does.
Have I misunderstood your post Doug?
Lance and Simeoni do not get on...
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DougMorley
Reged: 15/12/2006
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My post was more about the assumed fact that a certain rider(whose name I refuse to use), had the power to hire and fire and not the manager of the team.
Good luck to Simeoni whatever he does, I have sympathy for the man.
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rover1971
Reged: 09/06/2008
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Loc: Aberdeen, Scotland
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Ahhhh, it's as clear as mud now! 
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
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Just in case anyone's confused:
Lance Armstrong, the 7 times Tour de France winner will be riding for Astana next year. Johan Bruyneel is the Director of that team.
In the past, Simeoni, now Italian National Champion, has made assertions that Armstrong must have been doping because of the training advice he was given by Dr Ferrari {I think that's right} in Italy.
Unsurprisingly, Armstrong took exception to this, and most publicly chased down an escape group in The Tour de France that contained Simeoni, effectively ending his chances of a stage win.
A provocative Italian journalist recently suggested that, in order to prove Armstrong is fully committed to anti-doping measures, the Astana team should hire Simeoni for next season.
Of course that will not happen. Neither Armstrong or Bruyneel would want to. It was a joke, of sorts.
Everyone clear now?
Glad I could be of help.
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DougMorley
Reged: 15/12/2006
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I don't doubt the real reason for the initial report. I just resent the implication (tongue in cheek or not), that any rider or prospective rider for the Astana team has to have the approval of any other rider of said team before he, she, or it can do so.
In other words Astana has a manager and a demi god in control.
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rover1971
Reged: 09/06/2008
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Thanks Wuv, I hadn't heard about this Italian Journo before so I was a bit confused!
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2wheels
Reged: 23/09/2008
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I don't doubt the real reason for the initial report. I just resent the implication (tongue in cheek or not), that any rider or prospective rider for the Astana team has to have the approval of any other rider of said team before he, she, or it can do so.
In other words Astana has a manager and a demi god in control.
Regardless of whether you like Armstrong or not, I don't see the issue, most team leaders will have some say about who is signed to support them. Admittedly with Armstrong this is more extreme than the norm but it's hardly shocking.
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DougMorley
Reged: 15/12/2006
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It's undoubtedly news hype. Probably you are right, but then not every team can have riders who get on with each other. In theory at least you could have Armstrong and Simeoni riding for Astana. They just wouldn't ride in the same events - that's quite common.
I just resent the attitude the must pervade outwards to the non riding public who are lead to believe (wrongly), that cycle racing IS Lance Armstrong. That he is the controlling factor (which he is not), and that we must all be grateful indeed joyous, just to have him even considering to ride again.
I don't think that there has ever been such ridiculous news hype about any other rider ever and I'm thoroughly sick of it.
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
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Loc: Man of Kent
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I just resent the attitude the must pervade outwards to the non riding public who are lead to believe (wrongly), that cycle racing IS Lance Armstrong. That he is the controlling factor (which he is not), and that we must all be grateful indeed joyous, just to have him even considering to ride again.
I don't think that there has ever been such ridiculous news hype about any other rider ever and I'm thoroughly sick of it.
Sorry to be rude, but stop talking about it then.
Although, I agree, there is no stopping the Lance bandwagon. (That's probably the wrong term)
Merckx, Hinault, Fignon, Delgado, Indurain all retired and stayed retired (I think). Armstrong has won more Tours de France than them and decided to come back at his age.
Its news, people are interested. Get over it (being rude again). If he wins the Tour de France and even the Giro next season he will truly be the damn best rider ever, perhaps surpassing Merckx. Spring classic monumemts would also be good.
So then:
Tour of Flanders
Paris Roubaix
Liege- Bastogne- Liege
would be a good spring campaign, followed by Tour of Romandie, Giro d' Italia.
Then Tour de France
Followed by San Sebastian Classic, for old times sake.
Then a break, with a minor race in September, maybe the Tour of Britain, then the Worlds in October.
A fantastic season of wins I'm sure.
So Mr Bruyneel and Mr Armstrong, what do you think?
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scm
Reged: 24/06/2006
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If he wins the Tour de France and even the Giro next season he will truly be the damn best rider ever, perhaps surpassing Merckx. Spring classic monuments would also be good.
Spring classics would be essential to surpass Merckx but Armstrong would need quite a few seasons to even get close to what Eddy achieved. Best damn one-trick rider maybe, best ever, never.
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wuverley
Reged: 16/05/2008
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You're right.
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bfergie
Reged: 19/04/2008
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Best damn one-trick rider maybe, best ever, never.
Agreed..we could give him "Best Shimano rider ever"
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colnagodram
Reged: 06/04/2008
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Best damn one-trick rider maybe, best ever, never.
Maybe should read - Best damn one-Trek rider  
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bigoldsideofham
Reged: 23/12/2007
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Hinault actually came back after reoccurring knee injury where we all thought his career was over.
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eric09
Reged: 14/11/2007
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Loc: Doc Fuentes' lab
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has made assertions that Armstrong must have been doping because of the training advice he was given by Dr Ferrari
I think he was a witness in the trial of Ferrari, and Armstrong saw it as betrayal of the sport, and thus the feud between the two of them. Am i right in saying that Simeoni sewed Armstrong for defamation of character after Armstrong called him a liar?
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DougMorley
Reged: 15/12/2006
Posts: 324
Loc: BC Canada
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As I said in a previous post elsewhere, I regret bringing the Armstrong issue up yet again.
As the inevitable furore builds between now and The tour Down Under and is followed by increased Lancemania, I shall do my utmost to wipe him and all his machinations from my mind.
As a passing remark I do find it amusing to say the least that Cycle Sport's one day notice to worship at the shrine of Lancedom can be only the very beginning of his manipulation of the press (probably deserved), and the cycle racing enthusiasts (a kind of contempt not deserved), who hero worship and brown nose him.
Enough said for keeps.
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scm
Reged: 24/06/2006
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... and Armstrong saw it as betrayal of the sport,
Betrayal of the sport? And riding just one race a year, no matter how many times you win it, isn't? 
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coco
Reged: 13/04/2007
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His one Trek mind was the main reason for his non Ullrichic crash rate.
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